Gemming versus Armaments - the BIG debate

[Agamemnon_S13/4]

This will be a short post due to time but i want to engage the high level players thoughts before we all get dragged into armaments and forget the real game mechanics.

So at 150 we have people with +70 valor sets x 2.

So Anubis needs around 95 valor gemming i think for +50 on npc and full damage. Its proved Nils was 350 total stat on elites, so 370 would be a reasonable guesstimate (115+160=275+95=370)

Also, the cap is 120 so before we all go around fantasizing about level 4-6 arms, am i right in thinking max stats (as in 120 vs 70) is actually 35% more valor dmg out / 35% less valor dmg in. This is going to become very important for Odin and also might put valor damage into Ascelpius healing range of 1700 - again an Odin tactic.

Mist seems to be the most important hero in a way, so why stick to 100 ele gemming when you get 15% more from the full 120? Surely thats a tonne more than some minor ticks at 90 a pop?

Thoughts welcomed please...

[Vincent12]

well, you want to reach point where you deal full dmg... going over that point gives you only pvp benefit, so its wasting gems...
so if valor gem enhancing still gives you some PvE benefit, do it... if not, dont do it

[Guest]

Spirit of Elf is 338, so 350 and 370 appear to be way off the actuals.

[Agamemnon_S13/4]

It was based on mist hitting him below 350, maybe his ele is higher.

[Squinters]

(05-22-2012, 08:43 PM)Guest Wrote: Spirit of Elf is 338, so 350 and 370 appear to be way off the actuals.

haha this is a joke right...? i'm sorry since when is 358 "way off" from 350 now? if you take 350 to a be a static number and a hard number then then that is just a lack of understanding on your part.

and aga he is suggesting 350 is too low of a number since would need somewhere around 390 for 150%. However, that 350 approximate stat threshold is based on MS.

[Guest]

(05-23-2012, 04:10 AM)Squinters Wrote: haha this is a joke right...? i'm sorry since when is 358 "way off" from 350 now? if you take 350 to a be a static number and a hard number then then that is just a lack of understanding on your part.

Where did 358 come from?

[Prabhu]

I'd also like to know the impact of 120 enchants vs G4+ arms, cuz I've been working on +100 enchant sets and arms look like a bigger gamble. Where do we balance these two, since if both are achieved there is no question as to which shud be preferred.

[Squinters]

(05-23-2012, 05:33 PM)Guest Wrote: Where did 358 come from?

um... 338+20=358

[Prabhu]

Well, what's the stat requirement in Olympia? My Anubis with 372 valor didn't meet the threshold in Hippodamia BR

[Agamemnon_S13/4]

Prabhu i went for +95 valor for a max wash anubis, which is 118+160=278+95=373.

If you consider most armaments they bring 8-10 ticks of gear increase.

Whereas the last 20 gemming stats give 14% - surely alot more?

[Prabhu]

(05-28-2012, 04:18 AM)Agamemnon_S13/4 Wrote: Prabhu i went for +95 valor for a max wash anubis, which is 118+160=278+95=373.

If you consider most armaments they bring 8-10 ticks of gear increase.

Whereas the last 20 gemming stats give 14% - surely alot more?

I think there has to be something like the 50-50 threshold even for gears cuz I do see ppl making it with average enchants but good arms. Since mages dictate the most part of Nils and Olympia while even Anubis acting as a dodge tank, I think people go after stronger gear stats to get past as some dodge/mage fail luck is needed anyway.

With enchant threshold shooting up sky high, I haven't really seen a lot of 120 enchant sets from Olympia BRs, instead they tend to place their bets on arms. I'm still inclined towards enchants though and would like to see the threshold being broken with just max'd enchants.

[Agamemnon_S13/4]

Well i am the man to try! Working on a 120 ele set now as i figure mist is the most important hero in the game until Odin is in play.

After that is complete i am aiming for a very high valor set, personally i dont believe the +50 only limit. Do we all remember seeing Zeus take TEENY dmg for valor hits? Well i think that is still possible and Mist in PvP would support that, she can hit for upto 4000, normally 2200-2400 for me. Certainly anubis BM can take a single wash for 10,000 still so i believe that people progressing using 70 valor sets are missing a trick.

I am leaving myself open to using red ele hit arms as i can run the legion in a day or so. Also, valor hit seems a sound investment as isis / jord / odin and anubis all get the benefit.

[Prabhu]

I can confirm that Olympia is possible without uber arms, but solid enchants. I only had Ele Hit G2, rest G0 to clear the map. TBH, the map can be cleared even without decent arms/enchants as dodges and mage fails are the ones that decide the win/loss and arms/enchants just help to get there easier.

[Agamemnon_S13/4]

How good was the gemming Prabhu?

[Prabhu]

(06-11-2012, 05:21 PM)Agamemnon_S13/4 Wrote: How good was the gemming Prabhu?

Towards the end, I had 120(purple book + red horn) & 114(red book + red horn) Element sets. Rest were untouched at 2x 100 spirit sets(Kylin, red mount and 2x red cloaks) and 100 & 80 valor sets.

The purple book(map reward) was at G13-10 only, so this map should be fine even with maxed red books. Working on purple book slowed me down but I hope that should help in maps beyond.